S60 Open to new features

downloadin it......i think there will be an image converter & sizer for N-Series.....and should have a better contact manager.....just like the Nokia Future Videos it should have a touch & call from the PC........

....bein new to Nokia ...i luv the s60....

I'm sorry, but I need a more concrete feature list to try downloading over 300 megabytes just to manage the music and photos on my device a little bit better than what I'm currently doing.

Drag and drop is serving me just fine right now.

I'd welcome a feature comparison with the standard PC Suite. I used an old version of NSeries PC Suite and it appeared to be no more than a stripped down version of the original.

I downloaded it.
It was simply not a professionally done beta from Nokia. Very disappointed.
I did not understand why would they make 140MB .net redistributable download compulsory.

The beta testing audience is ought to be technically aware of stuff, so having .Net 3 should have been made a pre requisite and either for those who dont have it installed, there should either have been a link to download it from MS or it should have been separately hosted by betalabs.

Even the features have not been upgraded or significantly increased for a milestone release.

I just hope it is due to Tommi's enthusiasm that we are getting our hands on a build which is really very early in its stage of development and there shall be a great deal of work done over it.

Posted by: alsiladka | September 15, 2007 04:08 PM

340 MB for this? Well. I can't but feel disappointed.

What i liked:
- The look of it. very sleek.
- Nokia Photos seems like a worthy addition.
- automatically installing x64 versions of some programs

What i disliked:
- The Launcher crashes on vista 64 during startup. Every time. Did they even test it?
- Nokia Photos crashes after importing old lifeblog stuff. Lots of files (Lifeblog had no problem with them )are not imported.
- No explanations what orb does at all. Wha.. the? Ugly software, too.

Those are just some first impressions. Not good.

And again Nokia gives Mac users the finger.

But maybe that's okay, because apparently there are no Mac users at Nokia, or at least reading these blogs, because the comments are still broken with Safari (which is available on Windows, too, btw. And oh yeah, on Nokia phones also!). It's only been about a year since I first mentioned it.

Anyway, nice to see that you are making progress on Windows. It is, after all, the only platform that matters, right?

Mac users deserve the finger, you got your iPhone... =P (Joking)

I would like to see Nokia work on the multi-platform software support. I am a linux user and it would be really nice to have some sort of support. Unfortunately I understand that >95% of their target is using windows, so for now they have to put their resources into the most effective spot.

Um, Mr. Mac user, is it my imagination, or does Nokia offer iSync plugins for each of their phones? I'm not a mac user so I don't know for sure, but I could swear they do.

What's the difference in this and an iSync plugin?

Posted by: Ricky Cadden | September 15, 2007 08:07 PM

I really didn't like it. The installation interface is enough of a pain right now. Why can I not decide where I want to install the suite to? Why must I use the keyboard and press enter each time?
There should be a way to automatically decide what applications will be installed based on the N-series device that one has. For example, with the N91, apps like Download! and Nokia Maploader don't need to be installed as they don't support the N91.

1. Vista (Contacts) sync does not sync all my contacts.
2. No use of Windows Calendar!
3. Launcher wont start on my 32 bit vista after my first restart after the installation.
4. No phone browser like the regular PC Suite.

A complete crappy bloat, i hope this is really the very first stage of the development of this new suite.

Posted by: alsiladka | September 15, 2007 11:26 PM

"Kill it with fire and fly the ashes to the moon"

hah, sadly, so true...

http://www.intomobile.com/2007/09/15/nokia-nseries-pc-suite-20-beta-kill-it-with-fire-and-fly-the-ashes-to-the-moon.html

The installer doesn't work well with Windows Blinds. With windows blinds running in the background, I couldn't see the bottom part of the installer (th buttons - Ok, Continue etc.).

Woah.. have not tried it, but I have not seen a single positive comment on at least the blogs.. Sounds like a case of a "back to the drawing boards, guys" so far..

the biggest crap produced by nokia just like n95 battery(can anybody tell whats new?? And added feature??)it dont ask to delete or overwrite the pc suite6 and other older versiön nokia softwares like map loader lifeblog,what is that nokia photo??(2 pc suite on 1 pc) great joke.

Size of distributable is really huge =(
I have already had .NET framework installed on my PC so why I need to download it again? (I think .NET redistributable is included in provided zip-file)

ich würde mich freuen wenn du dich in meine Freundesliste einträgst.

Meine Freunde

It's .NET 3.0 that's making it so big, right?

Tommi, you probably should impose stricter quality control for things that go to Beta Labs. Or bloggers will eat you alive, which is already happening now. Some kind of a mandatory rule to provide a changelog/what's new list would be good too. Why is Nokia so scared of changelogs? They are secret for firmwares, and they seem to be secret for desktop software too.

Oh, and 350 megs for what is basically a glorified file transfer client is a little much :)

Somebody wondered Nokia Image Converter. You can easily buy software from Nokia Software Market.

Oh boy. We heard you. Seems that we released this beta too early in the development. For the time being, we'll remove it from public beta testing, but let me write a separate post about it...

Anyway, thanks everyone for your comments. Some quick replies:

I did not understand why would they make 140MB .net redistributable download compulsory.

The final software package is planned to be delivered in physical form with Nokia sales package. The download file was made exclusively for Nokia Beta Labs - and admittedly it was not optimized for this purpose (e.g. selecting which components to download and which not).

I need a more concrete feature list

Nseries PC Suite is a collection of PC apps, including PC Suite 6.83. Other apps:
- Nokia Photos
- Nokia Music Manager
- Internet: One Touch Access
- Nokia Nseries Software Launcher
- Nokia Nseries Update Manager
- Nokia Software Updater
- Home Media Server
- Map Loader
- Nokia Download! PC Client

Agreed, we need to write more specific feature lists and changelogs in the future.

And again Nokia gives Mac users the finger.

I don't think that's the intention. People around here have started to love Macs. Why don't you try this for starters: http://europe.nokia.com/A4423135

comments are still broken with Safari

Thanks. I just asked them to fix it.

you probably should impose stricter quality control

*sigh*

Maybe I should. But then again, that would slow things down - and I guess this case was scary enough example to Nokia R&D teams not to publish too immature stuff in the future.

For the time being, I will keep the Beta Labs app owners responsible of the quality & maturity of their own applications, and don't start additional quality control measures.

Let's see if we have to change this in the future.

On Mac OSX a firmware update tool would be useful. It is emabrassing having to scrounge a friends Windows machine. As you point out, integration with OSX is addressed elsewhere (although SMS support for iCal is missing).

Your N95 device range (at least) is capable enough to run a Maps Download tool (you support WiFi). Please provide it. OK, it is perhaps outside the remit of the PC application, but whilst we have your attention . . .

And whilst on Maps, please run a comparison of the data quality between the Maps maps and the maps available on Yellow Pages search tool. For my limited use case (Douglas, Isle of Man, UK) the difference is startling (in favour of Search). You should merge &reprocess your data.

I disagree Alexander Kanavin, the earlier in a project you collect feedback the easier it is to change. When companies like Nokia reach a certain point in development of a device or service, there is no turning back, it is going to ship. (lol, Foleo)

@Tommi:

The final software package is planned to be delivered in physical form with Nokia sales package.

I believe this should not be an argument in favour of a monolithic, hundreds-of-MB download - keep in mind that many people are never going to install this software from the CD that comes with their phone, but use a download instead. For example, because they misplaced their CD, or because an update to the software has been released.

I can't remember the last time when I used the sales package CD of one of my phones to install a version of PC Suite...

Stefan, without a change in the development process towards more open ways, the earlier collection of feedback would simply mean a release of earlier, buggier, even less usable build, no?

Now, I have my ideas about how to open up the process (and earlier feedback collection would be a natural consequence then), but apparently no one's going to listen. But this is the most clear example yet: proprietary, secretive development, particularly when it's subcontracted, produces inferior software.

Why would somebody base their apps on .net? There's very good multiplatform alternatives like Java with Eclipse RCP (think of excellent Eclipse IDE), or for C++/C qt/gtk+... That way it would be really cost effective to make products that work on Linux, Mac and PC and you don't need to have lame excuses that Macs and Linuxes are minority out there. ps. Why that piece of SW is only labeled for N Series devices? Nokia has other types of devices too like those E Series ones.

Alexander Kanavin: Leave your feedback, let Nokia know!

As a beta release its been a success as it generated a huge amount of feedback from its users to allow the development team to iron out the problems before release. The problem with open betas is that they can generate negative comments across the internet in no time, not always constructive. It always a balance between early releases to receive good feedback and late releases which annoy customers...

Why NSeries only PC suite, Nokia also make non-N series phones that are very capable of using todays data / media technology (6120c or E51).

Stefan, it's basically about bringing developers and early adopters closer. Something like a sourceforge-like site with all the proven tools - bug tracker, frequent builds (made in a more modular way than this monster we got), mailing lists (where we can at least see how decisions are made, and maybe contribute), and so on.

"Leave comments and we'll forward them to R&D team" just doesn't cut it anymore in this century.

Mvn, the new suite is already too late in the development cycle to fix the most serious problem: bloat. They should've seen it as a problem much earlier, and they should explain why they don't consider it a problem now.

I was hoping this new beta version would sync Calendar data from my N73 to the Calendar application proviced by Microsoft with Vista - alas, just like the previous version of PC Sync only contacts are sync'd which is somewhat disapointing.

I disagree Alexander Kanavin, the earlier in a project you collect feedback the easier it is to change. When companies like Nokia reach a certain point in development of a device or service, there is no turning back, it is going to ship.

Killing your own projects is a fine art. And NOKIA still has to master it. Problem is there are many ambitious groups putting out dispersed projects, often duplicating work (reinventing bicycles) hence spending company money. Internal competition is good, but not in the face of customer.

Guyz,

Anybody knows direct Nseries Pc suite full download.