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Now that our brand-new Feature Wishlist has been up and running for a week, the usual suspects are starting to emerge, along with a number of interesting new requests.
Let's look at this old favorite:
Related to that, Aron raised a valid question:
These messages got huge coverage by you and other blogers and the relevant response has been... None or slight.
So what will be different when the same topics rise there?
Can you encourage us a bit that it will be better there?
Well, I can't. If something ends up at the top of the wishlist, it doesn't mean it will be implemented. That would be plain dumb, for two reasons:
1. The costs might be higher than the benefits. For example, it wouldn't be wise for Nokia to start developing an invisibility cloaking device, just because it got the most votes from you.
2. Voters are biased. A typical Wishlist user loves technology, and might ask for things that an average user would hate or be afraid of.
So what can you expect by submitting and voting requests in our Feature Wishlist?
I think it's about getting your voice heard. The higher you get on the voting list, the higher your chances are to get noticed - and considered by people who matter. After that, it's their job to make the choices what to implement and what not.
What do you think, does this sound fair?
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Ps. I think the E61 update wish was a good one. By now, I believe you have made sure that the people who matter have heard your message. About is it feasible, I can't unfortunately comment.
Comments
Actually an invisibility cloaking device would be very cool! ;-P
Jokes aside, what you say sounds perfectly reasonable to me. However, in cases where Nokia makes a definitive decision not to implement a request they should perhaps note this in the wishlist and give the reason. That way visitors don't waste time asking for things that will never happen and can focus their energy on coming up with other requests. Also, 3rd party developers might pick up such closed requests and try to do them as applications (since they know they won't be conflicting with some future built-in S60 feature)
Posted by: James | August 21, 2007 04:08 PMHi Tommi,
Of course you 'can't unfortunately" comment about the feasability of implementing feature packs in E61, but after all that "fuzz" your comment became a bit cynical.
Unfortunately after a week or so I was hoping for hundreds and thousands of request and comments, but it seems that:
a) the audience of the s60.com is a bit low
b) people are quite reticent putting a feedback which can be, like James said, a waste of time.
Anyway, the idea of that whishlist SOUNDS great:-)
BTW, did someone notice that Mobile-review forums, the greatest/smartest/lovelyest technology community from the whole net is down by nearly 10 days? People WHO CARE MUST ACT NOW; put your comments here!
http://www.gsmarena.com/reviewing_iphone_may_be_dangerous-news-294.php
PS. Wouldnt been useful if that whislist thing can be seen/written/commented in specific Nokia support pages or so?!
Posted by: Horia Stanescu | August 21, 2007 04:38 PMI think wishlist is great for Nokia (and S60), fresh ideas might emerge from really bright people and it's free!
Not taking these wishes under serious consideration by "people who matter" would be just snobby and stupid. Further, I think voting is nice to have but should not be used as sole method of evaluating/selecting wishes which go to further investigation. You just might miss something very valuable.
Let's also hope that Apple and others won't take too much advantage of this and benefit of possible killer applications / features Nokia has ignored in their future products...
Posted by: Kimmo | August 22, 2007 12:42 PMPersonally, I would hope that if nokia did not "take advantage of this & benefit . . . " that some other company would. I choose nokia products because they are currently the closest match to my needs. If another company fulfills more of my needs due to paying attention to what nokia have ignored, then the other company have gained a grateful customer.
Its a great idea from nokia, for which they deserve credit, it will be interesting to see if they do pay attention.
Posted by: shogun | August 22, 2007 10:20 PMHello Tommi!
Thanks for the straight answer! I think it is fair enough especially in light of the comments from
James: about the feedback - he mentions the negative feedback but some positive feedback would not hurt either. This comment is close to my dream "technology forum".
Horia: coupling the wish list to support pages...
Kimmo: prioritizing by voting vs. utilizing the silent genius...
And finally Kimmo and Shogun: about the sensitivity of the user feedback information.
Your answer is a strong enough motivation for me to become active in the wish list site.
Thanks and Best Regards!
Posted by: Aron | August 22, 2007 11:57 PMAron
Hey, my sugestion should be pretty easy to implement, and should be easy for everyone to use: http://www.s60.com/business/productinfo/wishlist/displayWishDetails.do?wishId=920
And if there was a edit button on the wishlist, I would add local saving of rss feeds, for example, you haven't read all the itens in one feed, but accidentaly, press Refresh All, and the site that has more new itens then the rss feed can support, like when engadget has more then 20 new itens, the last ones, evenif I didn't read them, get erased.
Posted by: Fernando | August 23, 2007 02:23 AMSorry for another comment, but I made a blog post about how I would like the RSS reader to change, here it is:
http://fersantos.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/s60s-browser-build-in-rss-reader/
And sorry for my english in the post :P
Posted by: Fernando | August 23, 2007 04:15 AMIt would be nice if we were also able to add comments to the wishes. On some of them, the title is ok, but the description really doesn't explain the point properly and comments could really add a lot more content to what people want in that 'wish'... this will save people creating multiple similar wishes.
Posted by: Duncan Sample | August 23, 2007 10:59 AMHello,
interesting, but don't you think that the Feature Pack Update Issue should be taken seriously, instead of talking about other possibly useless wishes.
Posted by: Peternsen | August 23, 2007 10:09 PMJust to clarify my point: I believe we can work out a mechanism, through which (at least) the most-voted wishes get seriously considered. I just want you to understand that that sometimes the conclusion might be a no-go decision.
> It would be nice if we were also able to add comments to the wishes
Agreed. Let me ask.
> don't you think that the Feature Pack Update Issue should be taken seriously
I do take it seriously. And so do my colleagues here at Nokia.
Posted by: Tommi Vilkamo | August 24, 2007 12:51 PMEverything you say is quite valid and reasonable. The wishlist did get my hopes up a little for an upgrade to FP1, but i guess what's not feasible wont become so just because people wished for it.
Posted by: Dylan | August 24, 2007 02:37 PMHello Tommi!
I have started to use the wish list, although my comments - for SDHC support and the transfer of the E61i's great memory management into other phones - is no yet listed as they are being moderated.
and about that E61i thingy... You qouted here a wish which claims that the E61i is an FP1 device, while officially it isnt. Can we consider this a silent agreement with that statement from your side?
Since I got thr E61i at the night with S60 in Helsinki, I deveoped a suspicion that the E61i is acctually an FP1 device in FP0 clothing, because of the bullet proof memory management... I wish my E70 would get that, than it would be an almost perfect pocket computer with a few 3rd party applications...
If the E61i is an FP1 device, than my E61i memory handling request is the same as the wish you quoted in your blog...
Posted by: Aron | August 25, 2007 11:07 AMBest Regards!
Aron
Great to see the developers really listening to us end users. Here are a few thoughts in the same features S60 should have...
Posted by: Vaibhav Sharma | September 21, 2007 10:26 PMhttp://vaibhavsharma.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/s60-wishlist-the-future-beckons/
Yeah, it's greate. I found another strong application - "Private Call&Sms Guard" that have lots of functions like protect the private informations(sms/call/files...), call rejection, record...this is the link:
Posted by: zfhacker | October 1, 2007 11:25 AMhttp://www.SymbianOn.com/page/productlist.html , you can download it ,they look so pretty good.