S60 Open to new features

why thats a event take so oft in part in the US :-(

The only event in Europa was the MWC and to sin up there is very expensive

But i hope Saara, S60 team will post pic. videos and small text on the blog :-) and on Ovi :-)

When will be the next Evening with S60 events in Europe??

What is about S60 touch and the Nokia "Tube" aka "5800 Xpress Media" will it came to show !?

I send sunny greetings for Potsdam, Germany Summer is back ;-)
Nice week Nokius

Hello Saara,
I would like to share an S60 experience with you from last week. I asked my friend - who is well equiped with several Nokia smart phones - to try the v21 firmware upgrade for his N95 with the Flash player. I wanted to test youtube and a couple of fancy sites such as one from an airliner where I always failed before To by a ticket from a smart phone.

He has brough his updated N95 one day and the test was a complete success. We have watched bigdog the walking robot on youtube at amazing speed - beated EmTube on my E70 which has slower processor - and managed to go to the last step of ticket puchase on the airliner's site.

So I do not exactly know what you call by web 2.0 but to me this experience felt like it. Full youtube and full web with fine speed.

The only thing that hurts is that S60/Nokia has abandond supporting FP0 devices such as the E70. You provide FP2 features for FP1 phones (e.g.: flashlite 3.0 in the browser) while you refused even the FP1 browser on FP0 devices.

why is that?
Why to deny FP0 devices the web2.0 experience?

Especially since your headphone questionary it become obvious that FP0 and FP1 are the same thing with little extra software for FP1, contrary to previous messages that FP1 is lightyears away and structurally different from FP0...

looking forward your answer:

thanks & regards!
Aron

Nokius, I'd be very happy to see more Evening with S60 in Europe too. I'll keep you posted if we'll be coming to Germany. About the "Tube", I unfortunately can't comment.

Aron, That's a great story! I in fact am very happy about the flash experience on my freshly updated N82 as well. Now, what comes to your questions about the firmware updates, I'll have to find the exact answer to you from the folks who work closer to that area than me. I'll get back to this.

@ Saara.
I'm sure hordes of symbian fans are waiting "to get back" to Aron questions:-). Unfortunately we all know the answer, don't we?

Thank You Saara, I appreciate your effort a lot!

Please try to find the right people who have the authority to answer this question.

to horia:
We know only the earlier answer which contradicted present actions! (see FP2 arriving to FP1 devices...)
I would not be so pessimistic about the future because the earlier rejection ground is gone and it is now confronted with a new policy in action.

Remember the promises about the stand alone S60 browser which still did not arrive? I feel similar now, with the exception that I acctually played with an FP1 device updated to FP2 with the Flash lite 3.o player and REAL full web capabilities. That is not a promise, that is action.

Seeing the new policy in action, I have hope...

In any case, if someone going there from the "club", can you please ask my question from Ganesh Sivaraman? I have a feeling that he is one of the decision makers in this arena about the S60 browser being upgraded by "FP" jumps...

I wish I could be there to ask him myself... but that wont work unfortunatelly...

Regards!
Aron

In the meantime, I could refer you to the previous discussion on the same topic, if that answers to any of your questions:

http://blogs.s60.com/seeintos60/2008/01/n95_8gb_new_firmware_available.html#comments

Hello Saara,

Thanks for the efforts and for quoting my old discussion with Mikko. I would like to quote here his "answers" to my question:

Mikko wrote in his first detailed answer:

"For your specific question on 'basic' 3rd Edition based devices getting newer version of the browser. Wouldn't count too much on that, since the overall browsing architecture changed a lot when moving to FP1 (from two browsers to just one) and this is not necessarily a very simple change to implement for 3rd Edition devices."

The above message from Mikko and other messages from other experts seem to mean to me in my answer:
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To put it in perspective the translation according to some symbian experts is: you cannot get the fix in your browser because you cannot get the fix in your operating system...
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This contradicts somewhat your "headphone questionary" where it was stated that FP0 and FP1 are structuraly the same and differ only in some software packages.

So Mikko and earlier Tommi and the Browser team said that the new Browser with firmware upgrade for FP0 devices is not possible, but a stand alone browser would be... Interesting...

Can you please try to clarify this? Is there really such a huge gap (structural difference) between FP0 and FP1 that it fordbids the distribution of the new browser with a firmware upgrade but would allow a stand alone browser upgrade? (sounds a bit strange although it could mean that the acctual integration is the problem and not the giving away of the browser...)
... but than the answer in your questionary about FP-s vs versions was wrong...

In any case, thank you for trying to find the answer which has been in the air since Tommi first addressed the isssue of Firmware vs. FP upgrades in S60 v3! And as you have seen above a large crowd could be waiting for a positive answer eagerly.

I agree with Mikko that:
" In S60 we want to make this possible, but in the end this is very much a business decission by each individual phone product. "

Yes, this is a business decision and while it was positive for the N95 and others, it was negative for the E series (FP0) devices except the E90. (which is gonna get the FP2 features we have discussed)

Who make these decisions? How can we communicate with them?

Kiitos ja Terveisia:
Aron