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July 24, 2007 One employee's GPS experience Posted by Daniel Shugrue at 09:23 PM | Categories:

Phil wrote earlier that "even we Nokia guys and gals" have phone problems sometimes. I think this story falls into the same category, tho it does have a (mostly) happy ending:

Two years ago I was a HUGE fan of Google Maps. 12 months ago, I envisioned getting my N95, complete with GPS in it, and kissing Google Maps goodbye. 6 months ago I was able to finally score an N95 from a colleague in New York. Around the same time, I started up the GPS and was prompted to buy a bunch of software, which I did. Normally I'm kind of a cheap b*&^ard but I absolutely had to have it then and there. I think I spent over USD100. Then I ran the Maps app and was told I couldn't get a GPS signal. Well, that sucked. Took me a couple of weeks to figure out (from a colleague) that you have to be outside in order to get a GPS signal. So, after our "Evening with S60" in Chicago, I put the GPS to the test to try to find a bar for after-party drinks. No signal. At all. That was disappointing. I'd just spent a night feeling good about devices built on the S60 platform, and here I was, trying to find a bar to continue the feel-good atmosphere, and my GPS wasn't working. I came back next week to complain to another colleague about my experience, and he explained that the first time you use GPS, you have to let it have 20 minutes or so to find a signal. That is less than ideal. Nevertheless, I took his advice, and put my phone outside in the backyard for 20 minutes with the Maps application turned on. That worked. Now I had a signal, and the GPS found my address. I took a walk around the block, and it tracked me on every street I walked on. The feeling was very, very cool. I put the phone away.

About 4 weeks ago, my wife, son and I were on our way to a cousin's graduation party and we got lost. I suddenly remembered I had the N95 on me. I clicked it on, got a signal, put in my cousin's address, and all of a sudden we were on our way. The voice prompts were especially impressive with the excellent speakers on the N95. Loud and clear. Within about 15 minutes we were at my cousin's in the middle of nowhere, Massachusetts, USA.

That's my story. Much frustration, followed by much elation. I'm not sure what the moral is. But I guess one lesson learned for Nokia is to make the GPS experience more user friendly. In general, that seems to be a theme around many of the blogs these days. And I think we are getting the message. User design and user friendliness are a top priority now. I look forward to the next GPS-enabled device...


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Have you the latest N95 software? It has A-GPS, I hear, which gives you the first fix *significantly* faster.

Posted by: Tommi Vilkamo | July 25, 2007 03:21 PM

Thanks Tommi (you are back!)

I actually caught the announcement about A-GPS in my mess of vacation e-mail last night. (I found out from Canalys for some reason, not through any Nokia announcement. That may be a different problem.) Anyway I went through Nokia.com in USA, installed Nokia Software Updater, and now I have the new software. At first blush it does seem to be much faster. BTW if anyone out there is using old N95 firmware, there are also major fixes for camera lagtime available. Let me know if you have trouble finding the upgrades.

Posted by: dshugrue | July 25, 2007 03:28 PM

20 minutes is WAY too much time to lock on to a signal. I'd say 5 mins should be the max. I'm using a cheapo bluetooth GPS unit (off of eBay) with an N73 and even when it's playing up and it's really cloudy out, it doesn't take any longer than that.

Posted by: Anthony C | July 25, 2007 03:45 PM

I had the same problem with my N95. First time I used it, it was hard to get GPS signal. This explains why. :)

One more thing that I found interesting, sometimes the chosen route is not the best one. Two days ago, I made made a testing to go to a place where I know. Surprisingly, Nokia Maps suggested a "strange" route, which makes the trip longer.

It doesn't always happen though.

Posted by: Antony Pranata | July 25, 2007 07:00 PM

6110 Navigator and E90 Communicator were available in the same time. 6110 has A-GPS, E90 doesn't (as yet). Why? Different software design teams? Who is controlling them? Where the hell is the logic?

Posted by: Horia Stanescu | July 25, 2007 07:55 PM

Antony -- I've also found the occasional "strange" route...I've also used the GPS while riding my bicycle, and had it tell me to bear onto interstate highways (or 'motorways' in King's English). That was a shock. What would be great for a next release would be a "Avoid major highways" option. Also, for next next, an ability to drag and drop routes, like they now have on sites like http://mapmyrun.com. That site is one of my favorites these days.

Posted by: dshugrue | July 25, 2007 11:59 PM

Horia - You've hit the nail on the head, it does not make sense. I think that lack of logic afflicts many companies, esp bigger ones, but IMHO less at Nokia than at some of the other huge multinational companies.

Also, I think the re-org (http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1134322) will eventually solve this particular problem. The idea being that one biz unit will handle creating phones, while the other biz unit will create the services. So you won't have different groups creating services for different phones. That's the theory, anyway, we'll see how it plays out...

Posted by: dshugrue | July 26, 2007 12:11 AM

@dshugrue: I think you can disable highway from Nokia Maps -> so that you won't get shocked. :)

My experience is actually the route suggested unnecessary U-turn. In some occasions, it suggested me to take the road that always has heavy traffic -> although I have selected fastest route (not shortest one).

Posted by: Antony Pranata | July 26, 2007 11:38 PM

When I was a teenager (20+ years ago) and still interested in stereo equipment, these integrated stereos where something for people who don't understand anything of the subject and generally something to be laughed at, because of poor (sound) quality and bad specs. The expert only looked at separate amplifier, tape-deck, radio tuner, turn-table (well CD hadn't been invented yet). Not sure how this is today.

But for mobiles today it seems to work the other way round. The high end model integrates 5Mpix camera, WLAN, GPS. But one fact is still true. The integrated device makes many compromises and the specs are worse than those of separate devices. This is particularly true for the newcomer GPS.

Remember this is the first device of its kind. A Ford model T might also be quite primitive for today's motorist. So I'm quite confident in a couple of years it will work much much better.

Compare the photos of a 7650 (Nokia's first camera phone from 2002) and an N95.

I believe the N95 has disclaimers in its newest software versions, that the slide must be open when using GPS and you need several directions of free view to the sky. Well, I click away these stupid disclaimers without reading them as everybody else, but still I know the laws of physics. And they don't make it easy for 3 GPS signals to reach a phone. 20000 km is a long way for signal to travel, especially when it comes from a little solar-powered transmitter.

Yes, with A-GPS it's a whole different experience.
Because here we can cheat physics and get valuable information via the next radio mast. Less than a minute instead of 10-20 minutes for the first fix. It's only a matter of time until all phones will have it. And as the N95 demonstrated its a simple firmware upgrade.

Posted by: UGe | July 27, 2007 11:38 AM

Quick update:

A-GPS is working GREAT now, anyone not on v 12.0.0.013 or later, you should upgrade.

To elaborate on Antony's good point above, to customize your route from the main screen, select Options:Plan Route.
From Plan Route, select Options:Settings
From there you can change transport mode to "Car" or "Foot" and you can select whether or not to include "Motoway" (highways in American English)

For me, I'd appreciate a 3rd option, by bicycle. I think the market for Bicycle GPS is growing here in the USA as gas prices continue to rise...I have a question in with the North Am. "Find New" Product Manager to see if that is in the works...

Oh yeah, for the newbies out there: to check your sw version, enter *#0000# on your phone. To upgrade, go to http://europe.nokia.com/softwareupdate and follow steps from there.

Posted by: dshugrue | July 27, 2007 09:20 PM

I certainly hope to see A-GPS support on E90 soon. There's no official information about hardware support for the feature, but considering the fact that practically all GPS chipsets have supported at least some A-GPS features for years. These include likes of preloading ephemeris data and current time, helping to guess which satellites are visible and which frequency bins to search, if the receiver is close to previous known position and some fancier features like ionospheric information for improved accuracy, network-based location estimation and more precise clock synchronisation. It would be nice to know which of these Nokia A-GPS devices and server support.

Posted by: Jari Kirma | July 30, 2007 08:51 AM


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