January 11, 2008 Best of Both Worlds Posted by Jukka Eklund at 12:23 PM | Categories: Feedback

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First of all, I hope you have had a great start for this year! Here in Finland it's the darkest time of the year: I saw a statistic that in average the sun was visible about 38 minutes per day in December, can you believe that? The good news is that the days are now getting longer, couple of minutes every day. This week we finally got some long-awaited snow in here as well, though it's now melting away fast..

Many people have made their resolutions for the new year and some have done predictions on what to expect for 2008. As for myself it's been a more quieter time at work so there has been good time to think about the future in a broader sense.

This recent post (item #13) in our Forum Nokia Discussion Board certainly hit home for me. Having a mobile site running on the phone is cool as such, but integrating that into existing or completely new communities and services is the next step. Or what do you think?

I also liked the title of the post since that's one of my favourite episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Happy 20th Anniversary, TNG :)

-Jukka

(2008 logo made with Logo Creatr, thanks!)


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Seems like this is exactly what I said a while back: it's not that usable to host everything on a phone, but it's a lot better just to sync information into another server that will give it out to people. But then someone said it's just stupid and complicated. I don't think so at all, but what do I know :)

Posted by: Symbiatch | January 11, 2008 03:27 PM

Well, I don't think is _exactly_ what you are saying. Syncing can be understood in many ways.

Example: today you can push images from your phone to Flickr, which is cool but then the images end up on Flickr and you need to administer that service to do anything with them. If Flickr fetched the images automatically from the phone, they could be shown via high speed server but the hosting and control stays on the phone. Remove the picture from phone, and it's gone from Flickr. Substitute Flickr with some other service, you get the picture..

Posted by: Jukka Eklund | January 11, 2008 03:50 PM

Hello Jukka!

Happy New Year!

I have not yet managed to install the Web server correctly, due to my own reasons with my device but I want it more and more.

A proposal for a valuable "web service" from the phone is to "broadcast" the location of the device through GSM tower position analysis (if not GPS) with similar technology as Google maps 2.0 does. E.g.: Allowing people to track my location with the accuracy of a 1.7 km radius as Google maps does... or better if riding on a high way...

I would also like to ask two questions:

1. How is it with remote super user access? Can it be completely banned? (e.g.: only local access if decided so, with a push of the button?)

2. Can the web server serve as a bridge between a 3g network and an Ad-hoc WLAN network? (I know this might not be politically correct as it involves sharing 3G internet through WLAN...)

Posted by: Aron | January 13, 2008 01:17 AM

Aron, hope you get it running at some point.

You mean admin could only login from the same device, but not from Internet? That feature could be useful, we'll think about that.

The network bridge feature seems to be a much desired one (Windows Mobile and maemo can do that), but unfortunately we cannot implement that on S60 without some lower-level support from the operating system. That is, if I've understood it correctly.

I agree about the location sharing possibilities, and our base technology can support that. Now let's see if some Nokia or other web service picks that up :)

Posted by: Jukka Eklund | January 13, 2008 01:51 PM

Thanks Jukka!

I am about to perform a factory reset during the next month or so after a year of very acive usage. I have really pushed the poor thing to the limit. :-) So soon I will be running your code.

About the bridge, I though you could do it if you want because you can run in both island mode and through 3G. From there it seems to me just a request inside your webserver code to forward the request from the Ad-hoc WLAN through the 3G link.
But this is just brain storming and I trust your judgement...

Thanks and Regards!
Aron

Posted by: Aron | January 14, 2008 01:28 AM

@aron: About the web-server serving as a bridge. If you are content with HTTP traffic, then in principle the web server can act as a forwarding web-proxy.

MWS can't do it at the moment, but Raccoon could in principle. Someone asked about it somewhere already and at that point I checked it out and found that there was some issues that prevented it in practice.

I've now sorted those out and Raccoon happily can act as a forwarding web-proxy when running on the emulator. It almost works on the phone as well.

Once it works, it'll be possible to browse the web with any device that is connected using WLAN to the phone and whose browser can be configured to use a proxy.

Johan

Posted by: Johan | January 16, 2008 09:06 PM

Hello Johan!

Sounds great! Where will you publish it?

This would be a great milestone!

Thanks & Best Regards!
Aron

Posted by: Aron | January 20, 2008 11:33 PM

Aron, once things work I'll make it available via the Raccoon and PAMP SourceForge sites. But PAMP has been keeping me busy now for a while, so don't just yet start holding your breath:)

Johan

Posted by: Johan | January 29, 2008 08:18 AM

Hello Johan,

It seems to be that the joikuspot is doing what we have discussed here.

To tell the truth, I would much prefer better security settings and the ability to serve web pages from the phone too...

I have some business ideas how this could acctually make money for both users and operators... e.g.: advertising option as the "price" to use the web through the phone...

Regards!
Aron

Posted by: Aron | February 6, 2008 01:08 AM

Aron, thanks for the pointer!

Perhaps I have to raise the priority of this, now that there is competition:)

Johan

Posted by: Johan | February 7, 2008 12:12 PM

Thanks Johan!

Sounds good to me... :-)

Best regards!
Aron

Posted by: Aron | February 9, 2008 11:04 PM


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