S60 Open to new features

Dear,`
i agree,there are browsers available that allow to download stuff.opera is one of the best,but its commercial.`
what i wanted to say is that nokia does not live up to its claims.
'connecting people'
'sharing re defined'
'full web experience' are far from reality.

any web browser cannot be called complete if it can't even download simple files. S60 browser- the best mobile experience you say ? If i can't even download a simple freeware then its all useless.
3rd party will do the things for sure.
But will you pay extra for tyres when buying a car? Sure-alloy wheels will be extra,but the car atleast comes with pretty good wheels that get the work done!

I just stumbled upon a disgusting drawback of N73 Black firmware V4.07!

You LOOSE your ability to download !!!
Yeah! you heard righ!

I've downloaded Files As large as 60 MB on EDGE using my N73 with V3.06 firmware! This is A Huge step back!
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Oh Boy I am really angry!

I've paid bucks for One year EDGE contract and its all going down the drain!

This stupid firmware silently dowloands the whole file (takes hours on EDGE) and throws a Frustratin error in the end! - Unknown file format!! DAmm ! And EDGE is expensive you know!

Nokia is really disheartening! if already big list of annoyances were not enough, here comes one again! Ohh!!

I bet my next phone will be an SE or some Windows powered device!
what drove me mad that it was possibe to download using old firmware,but this 'update' actually took away the function!
What A FOOL NOKIA is ! They are reducing convininece in new updates!

NEVER buy NOKIA AGAIN!

Hello Anonymous--

I find it a bit surprising that you would say that S60 Web Browser is "Useless" if you can't download .exe or .rar files. Why would you download such a file if it cannot be used on the device?

As for installing Opera, S60 is open and you may install any apps you want. Here are some instructions:

On your phone, open the Web browser (not Services).

Go to opera.com/mobile

You should have a choice of downloading Opera Mini, or scroll down to "Click here to download Opera Mobile."

Scroll down and click to download Symbian version for S60 3.x.

Select the language you want.

Scroll down and click to download then install Opera to your phone.

If you use PC Suite with your phone then you can download Opera Mobile installer to your PC, then transfer to your phone using PC Suite’s Install Applications feature.

I hope this helps.

--Franklin

Posted by: Franklin Davis | December 30, 2007 03:57 PM

E51 browser can NOT download file other than filetypes the phone knows.So U cant download .exe or .rar files.

Opera does not install

Conclusion :s60 Full Blown Beautiful Browser is USELESS(Does not qualify as BROWSER if I cant download simple files)

why opera is not download or instal on my nokia 73 3rd edition mobile?
plz solution on my mail id
mayuragencies@rediffmail.com

@jayant wankhede: Your N73 has 2 built-in browsers.

"Services" is a WAP browser, suitable for viewing mobile sites and your operator portal (e.g. T-Zones, Vodafone Live, etc.).

"Web" is the Nokia full Web browser.

If you want to install Opera, that is your choice -- S60 is open and you can install any apps you want. Go to opera.com to download Opera Mobile (the full browser) or go to operamini.com to get the Opera Mini browser, which is not a full browser, but can open most web pages for viewing very fast.

I hope this helps clarify your choices.

Posted by: Franklin Davis | November 6, 2007 09:10 AM

on my n73 3rd edition mobile why opera is not instal or not download from website?
plz send the solution

Not the iPhone again...

Ok, it's a great phone. AND it is greatly overvalued.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

It's not worth the price, in my opinion.

The lack of technical competence of the typical Symbian user never ceases to amaze me. This is the S60 site for gods sake. The browsers on Symbian & iPhone are NOT the same, based on the same code yes but you cannot do everything you can with a desktop brower on the S60 3rd browser. That is what the term 'Full Web Browser' refers to. The latest Opera is the only full browser for mobile devices other than iPhones. If you're going to write an article it usually does well to know what you're talking about.

Hello!

Is it true that the iPhone does not have even FlashLite 1.0?

How about the security threat regarding Safari browser on the iPhone? Does that effect Safari based browsers on S60?

Best Regards!
Aron

I have been a loyal Nokia phone user for some time now, but only because there used to be no better alternative, until now. If the iPhone, in reality, matches the elegance of the device shown in the twenty minute tutorial that Apple has recently posted on its site, then it totally blows away ANYTHING Nokia has from a SOFTWARE perspective.

I have both a E61 and a N-770 and neither come close to providing the ease of use promised by the iPhone. The "Moose on the table" is NOT that, sure, you can do the equivalent things or more on a Nokia device vs the iPhone (The brilliant Opera Mini beta being a recent excellent example, although it's still in beta and eats up all of the available RAM of the E61). The point is that it seems that you don't have to have a graduate degree at Geek University to actually productively use the full capabilities of the iPhone.

Apple has simply raised the bar,in my opinion, with their UI and Nokia's only hope is to leap ahead or be resigned to joining the commodity bin with Motorola, etc. I know that I plan to be kicking both my 770(which has NEVER worked reliably) and E61 (capable but a mess to configure, slow to respond UI, and with a browser prone to reboot the device on a regular basis -- and I do have the latest firmware, FYI) to the curb for the iPhone in the near future.

Sure, the iPhone will not be perfect, but Nokia is FAR from perfect, as well. I believe this round goes to Apple as the iPhone seems to have everything I currently desire on my phone (except the ability to use other carriers other than AT&T). I look forward to Nokia becoming more competitive in the future, but they need to focus on making a phone that is as much a delight to use as it is powerful.

I have seen the future and it is software. I sincerely hope that the iPhone will be a tremendous success, if only to force other mobile phone manufacturers like Nokia to wake up and realize that amateur hour is over. You and I deserve better.

The browser is probably where the S60 gets closest to the apparent ease and intuitivity of the iPhone UI.

Just watch the product demo video the Apple site, and then HONESTLY say you are not at least somewhat impressed (by the UI in general, and to much lesser extent the browser).

N800 gets even closer in terms of the browser, but obviously is not a phone. Try getting to a embedded link on the S60 browser. How many clicks did you need? But that's just because the iPhone is TS of course.

One thing that S60 could do a LOT better (and the iPhone UI seems to do better): trust the USER. WHY WHY WHY every time I do something I have to CONFIRM. Delete a SMS. "Are you sure? Are you really sure?" Why not instead just delete and move the deleted message to a trash folder from which you can restore (e.g. within the next 24 hours after which it auto empties it)? Sorry to rant about a non-browser thing here though.. :)

I am reading this with my N73. The browser almost never crashes. And after yesterday's fw update, the font color problem with black themes is also gone. The browser is really wonderful! Thank you!

a) I'm also hoping the new browser will be downloadable, or in a firmware update for the N80 - this would be really great to see
b) All of the current Nxx devices are wowfully low in RAM. I have an N80 which frequently runs out when using the new browser, and usually end up using Opera mini instead.

I don't care about back ported browsers, I'd like my money back please.

Boom

Yea, lack of RAM in Nokias devices is also driving me crazy since it renders the OSS browser useless.

PS: Did i ever say: We FP0 users want the FP1 browser backported! :)

You should stop giving this OSS browser away in devices that can't handle it. It almost never ever works on the N91-2, you guessed it; out of memory.

Why spoil your own reputation and give a product that can never work?

It's not like you are offering refunds for idiots like me who bought the phone, nor are you providing any support.

For people who have access to NSU, they can try and try to upgrade hoping something gets fixed; for the other poor souls you want them to get a ticket at the local nokia service centre, stand in a queue wait for an hour or two and have their fw updated?

Oh, and if something is wrong with the hw then you've got to leave the phone behind, without even talking to any tech person to find out what the problem could be and how long it would take to fix it.

Thanks but no thanks; there are other options available. If you're thinking why I am so mad; well I paid USD 600/- for a piece %^&* N91-2 which doesn't do what it says on the box and whose SW almost always (99% downtime) never works, should I praise it or Nokia? I got this because it was the only 8gb option back then. Well I've now got the iPhone and the SE walkman to choose from.

And don't tell me you are only the browser group and can't answer for others; you are NOKIA, you made my phone, I paid you money for it, your product doesn't work, your browser doesn't work. I'm not complaining to you about the whole load of other &*%$ that doesn't work.

Boom

PS: I am a Nokia loyalist, have never owned another brand since 1996 I think. I will probably replace my 9300i with the E90 but after thoroughly reviewing it. I will never ever make the mistake of buying a Nokia from the heart, I'll use my head.

Apparently the iPhone browser will not be able to display Flash content, whereas the S60 FP1 browser CAN display Flash content. Surely that makes the S60 FP1 browser better than the iPhone one?

iPhone browser won't have Flash
www.intomobile.com/2007/06/14/apple-iphone-will-not-have-flash-support-wwdc.html

Demo of the 6110 (including a page in Flash at 3:48)
http://www.neoncherry.com/gadgetpictureshow/readarticle.php?article_id=24

so what about the rumor in late march that said the new brower will be available for fp0 users in one month timeframe? was it all a bad joke?
that would be very sad since im really really much waiting for a browser update for my N80IE. i mean its called internet edition and does perform worse now then other non-ie cheapo phones like 6290.
i hope you guys can push out dat browser.

stay with the browser and i will go for the iphone. its that simple. im sure apple has also built in loads of ram for a really nice web experience. not that crap like in n80 where you cant even open a simple page without the browser crashing.

dick, out n over

Hello Everyone!

I must defend the S60 browser team and the S60 browser. I truly believe it was the first PC-compatible looking and usable browser through WLAN-s in phones.

You must see a 416x350 pixel device zoomed to 50% with a web page to understand what I am talking about. Try to reproduce that with any other mobile browser...

And about crashing... use the latest firmware and - well I know it is no excuse - reboot the phone before starting to browse. :-) If you have an E70-reboot it with open keyboard. That way you will keep the memory in an open position. :-)

I am not saying there are no problems, far from it, but let us give credit where it is due: The S60 browser is fantastic!

Now all that said, please give us the upgraded (and debugged) browser for S60 V3 FP0! :-)

Thanks and Best Regards!
Aron

I have yet to see a full blown browser on S60! The E61's browser is close but it is terrible at rendering some sites. If the iPhone does what it says it will... e.g. Safari on a phone then Nokia is in a world of hurt.

I think the one thing Apple will instill in Nokia's S60 strategy is the fact that applications will be updated. Gone will be the days of stale applications that are tied to firmware. So we put it to Nokia again...

Where is the S60 standalone browser package? WHO do we need to get the message to that the user base isn't asking, we are demanding.

At some point that demanding will stop and we will have moved onto other devices. Devices with applications that are updated.

If Nokia is worried about no-one buying new phones if all phones are upgradeable then ponder this... Where are new phone form factors? Where are new hw features (e.g. better cameras, GPS, improved wireless, enhanced network support/multiband UMTS)... There are always reasons people will upgrade the HW - give us the ability to now upgrade the sw.

The Nokia Communicator 9210i was released in 2002 with a full-blown Opera Mobile browser (based on the Opera 6 core). With a full QWERTY keyboard and a 640×200 screen, I think that predates most of the entries listed above.

(Full disclosure: I worked on the project)

Sorry to steal your thunder but I consider the Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone had the first full browser (Pocket Internet Explorer)... but what does it really matter?

Hello Franklin!

Please check Tommi's blog! He was so kind to raise my questions about Your S60 browser to a topic in his blog recently.

You must be aware that Your browser - which can save also web pages - is only available for FP1 phones. So from 25 million how many is that?

WOULD YOU CALL your browser a full blown web browser WITHOUT the possibility to save the beautifully displayed web pages? (S60 V3 FP0)

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I would! But please let us soon save the pages, and give us the "sis" distribution of the Web 2 browser.

In any case I agree with you, that you have been the revolutionaries in mobile browsing! Especially if you consider the pixel count of the E70! Only 5% lower than the iPhone!!! Shocking!

Open an E70, load a page, zoom 50% by pushing # twice, watch a readable full page on the E70 screen. Beautiful!

Thank You & Best Regards!

Aron

Franklin, I've updated to 4.0707.0.7 which I believe to be the latest firmware.

I haven't really seen any improvement, though. In fact, the earlier versions actually displayed some images from time to time. Every version crashes after a couple of pages, though.

Could you please poke someone to include this "vastly improved" browser in a firmware update for N80?

I'm curious why we didn't use the S60 browser on the Nokia N800.

Posted by: PhoneBoy | June 12, 2007 04:12 PM

DanH, it's true-- the N80 is sadly lacking in memory. But it also originally shipped with very early browser software that was vastly improved in later phones.

There should be a firmware update for N80. I'm only a browser guy, and I can't promise you anything, but if you haven't tried yet, check out Nokia Software Updater and see if that helps.

I hate to be the guy who points this out, but you're absolutely correct. What's the difference in the iPhone and S60 devices? MARKETING. Nokia and SE have missed a TREMENDOUS opportunity with the iPhone to get the word out to people about their devices.

I've said this time and time again in different places. The only thing revolutionary about the iPhone is that it has finally convinced Americans that it's ok to spend more than $10 on a mobile phone. Nokia's S60 devices have had the exact same features (N91 4GB and 8GB) for over a year now, but Nokia didn't see the point in marketing them in the US.

Hopefully someone at Nokia is getting a swift kick in the pants over this one. And hopefully we'll see Nokia doing some actual marketing.

My N80's browser may be "full-blown" (whatever that means), but it sure blows up a lot.

Pretty much any even slightly complex web page causes it to crash (with or without telling me to close "other applications"). The few times it actually shows anything, pretty much every image is invisible (although the browser seems to download them all, they are just not shown).

So, if the iPhone has a full-blown browser that actually works, then it might indeed be a first.